I, Paweł Kukiz, will not seek companies or positions in the government – declares in an interview with PAP the leader of Kukiz’15, Paweł Kukiz, who is running from the first place on the PiS list. The politician assures that he has not signed any promissory note with the ruling party.
In an interview with PAP, the leader of Kukiz’15 talks about the collaboration with Law and Justice. He states that he did not sign a promissory note with this group, but this is because of the trust he has in the chairman of this formation, Jarosław Kaczyński. He also announces that if the United Right wins the next election on October 15, he will not hold any position in the government and will not be interested in a seat in any state-owned financial company. He also admitted that he would be happy if he managed to introduce three to four MPs from his community to the Sejm.
Polish Press Agency: Does Paweł Kukiz already feel like a professional MP or still an artist, because you still entered “musician” in the NEC column?
Pawel Kukiz: I still hold this artist very much in my heart, but if you participate in politics, you have to be sensitive enough to do so at this time. I hope that in the next four years the electoral law and the most important political issues will be changed and that I can release the artist in me, but I don’t necessarily want to give concerts, but just sit down with instruments, write lyrics and release my sensitivity .
This term is the last chance to implement my demands and I do not intend to participate in the next term’s Sejm – regardless of the outcome, whether I achieve this goal or not. I’ll give myself four years.
After your bad experiences with the Polish People’s Party, did you sign a promissory note with Law and Justice?
I don’t have to sign a promissory note. Recently, during the debate of the Opole ‘ones’ PO politician Tomasz Siemoniak, I showed my 2021 contract with the President of PiS Jarosław Kaczyński. All points of this agreement have been implemented, and even more so because bills have been adopted: protecting Polish pharmacists from buyout by foreign companies, liberalizing regulations regarding explorers, but also voting on lowering the thresholds in local referendums.
I have absolutely no reasons to disbelieve Jarosław Kaczyński personally. As far as I am concerned, he has fulfilled all his obligations with great interest. I don’t participate in companies, so it should be up to PiS to implement these demands in order to have a loyal coalition partner.
Have you agreed on a list of priority projects with the PiS president? What will be the first question that “Kukiz sold himself” for?
I have not made a decision yet, but one thing is certain: we do not have much time to implement my demands, assuming that we as the United Right win the elections. We have about a year left, because later the president who signs these bills will be replaced, and I don’t know whether or not the president will be sympathetic to these demands. As far as I know, President Andrzej Duda is positive about changes in the electoral law in a mixed electoral law or in justice of the peace, or in increasing the role of referendums.
If the United Right wins the elections, will you join the government?
No, I certainly don’t. Do not want. I, Paweł Kukiz, will not pursue any business or government positions. In this system it is very important that the other side cannot hold you in any way. We, together with Law and Justice, adhere to these laws, requirements and program projects and will continue to do so.
How many MPs from Kukiz’15 are you counting on in the next Sejm?
It is the citizens who must introduce MPs and such a change in the electoral law is envisaged by Law and Justice, i.e. 230 MPs appointed directly by citizens and 230 through political parties, as is the case now.
There are several candidates, about eight from Kukiz’15, and if 3-4 manage to get in, that would be great.
Will the referendum, which will be held together with the elections on October 15, achieve the required turnout? Do you participate in it?
I took part in Bronisław Komorowski’s referendum and collected signatures for the Civic Platform’s 4xTAK. This referendum is sacred to me and I will also participate in the PiS referendum. This does not mean that in the next term I will not fight for a real referendum, i.e. the introduction of a purely citizens’ referendum, where citizens ask questions and the Sejm, after collecting a certain number of signatures, is obliged to unconditionally hold a referendum call. referendum.
The referendum of PiS or Komorowski, and previously 4XTAK Platforma, are party referendums – for me, as an expert in the field of referendums – they bear the characteristics of a plebiscite. However, this does not contradict the enormous importance of the questions that PiS asked in the referendum. Answering these questions and crossing the required threshold is a key issue, because they oblige every authority in Poland to implement policies that build the Polish state and prevent its weakening.
How do you respond to campaigns that encourage people not to participate in the referendum?
These are terrible things that even damage party democracy. These are anti-democratic actions. Discouraging participation in deciding the fate of the state is an anti-civil and harmful attitude, regardless of whether it applies to referendums organized by PiS or the Platform.
Although the questions in Komorowski’s referendum were extremely imprecise, for example: “Are you in favor of the introduction of single-member constituencies in the elections to the Sejm of the Republic of Poland?”, but not specified in what number, two or 460, I still participated in it.
These questions are constructed in a precise and unambiguous manner, but accusations that the answers to these questions are obvious are extremely despicable accusations, because I will once again remind Komorowski’s referendum that the question was asked: “Are you in favor of the introduction of a general principle of resolving doubts about the interpretation of tax law in favor of the taxpayer? There is no clearer answer than ‘yes’.
If we add Donald Tusk’s statement that he will annul the referendum, he proves that he is in favor of a highly authoritarian one-man government.
Polls show that PiS wins, but not a majority. Is a coalition with the Confederacy realistic?
It doesn’t really matter who you go with, just what you have with you. If Poland were to benefit from a Law and Justice coalition, regardless of any political option, that would be a good thing. However, I don’t think the Confederacy wants a coalition. She hopes – wrongly in my opinion, because she may be miscalculating – that PiS, for example, will win, a minority government will be formed, and that the Confederation will prevent the budget from being passed and early elections from taking place. If the Confederacy is hoping to get more votes than it did in this election, it could be all wrong.
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Source: wPolityce